Lee Trundle
3:43 Mon Dec 13
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"Like someone racing a Lamborghini against a Ford Fiesta down Southend sea front."
Do those normally end with the bloke who was able to afford the Lamborghini being penalised enough to make it so the Ford Fiesta wins the race down Southend sea front?
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El Scorchio
3:39 Mon Dec 13
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That's not contrivance. That's simply doing a better job on a level playing field. Every team has an equal opportunity within the rules to put together a fast car. It's likely with the big reg changes coming next season that Alpine, McLaren, Ferrari might do a much better job than Mercedes or Red Bull.
Yesterday was a contrivance
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Block
3:38 Mon Dec 13
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Has Hamilton used the RACE card yet?
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stewie griffin
3:33 Mon Dec 13
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El Scorchio 3:07 Mon Dec 13
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Hamilton's car is quicker than any of his 'rivals'. Like someone racing a Lamborghini against a Ford Fiesta down Southend sea front.
It was already contrived long before yesterday.
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ted fenton
3:27 Mon Dec 13
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Mr Kenzo 12:13 Mon Dec 13
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BLM
Beaten Last Minute
Hahahaha
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Lee Trundle
3:08 Mon Dec 13
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The Indians had it spot on.
They lost their F1 race because they taxed it as an entertainment, and not as a sport.
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El Scorchio
3:07 Mon Dec 13
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I fully admit I'll carry on watching both.
I don;t *want* to watch F1 right now after seeing something so crooked take place in front of the eyes of the watching world, but I know come preseason testing I'll be watching again.
Which makes the contrivance of yesterday all the more troubling. It was undoubtedly for the 'show' and the drama to try and hook the netflix watchers into the sport. The amount of press this event has generated is unheard of. It's a marketing masterstroke, but completely at the expense of the integrity of the sport.
As I think someone may have said earlier on here- this is more akin to a WWE explosive staged storyline than 'boring old' unscripted sport.
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Haz
2:26 Mon Dec 13
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I'm having to fucking laugh at some of the bloody holier than thou melts on here, whinging and whining about not gonna watch anymore cos it's 'rigged'! And yet they will continue to watch the football while decisions are made like the 'no penalty' that should have been awarded West Ham!
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El Scorchio
1:59 Mon Dec 13
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Or a fox hunt where the fox is about to escape, but they break the fox's legs and chuck it right on the floor in front of the hounds.
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Lee Trundle
1:52 Mon Dec 13
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"To compare it to football it's like England being 1-0 up in the last second of the World Cup final with the ball at the opposition corner flag, with the ref then blowing his whistle and awarding a penalty to the opposition, sending the England goalkeeper off, and declaring that goals now count double, before immediately blowing for full time when the penalty hits the back of the net."
The best comparison (it may have even been on here) was someone describing playing football all day as a kid in a massive game, then all of a sudden forgetting all about the score and then saying next goal wins.
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Johnson
1:48 Mon Dec 13
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Presumably everyone criticising Masi for an admittedly bizarre decision designed to choreograph a sprint finish in his role as race DIRECTOR, are happy with VAR pouring over every decision to make sure the rules are followed to the letter in football?
Give me what happened yesterday over checking if a toenail or even worse fucking fingernail is offside any day of the week.
Be interesting to see if Mercedes take this through the courts, all the money is at the constructors level isn't it so is this just about Hamilton's 8th title?
They should push for rule change to avoid interpretation and get on with building a car for next season to give Hamilton a fighting chance of winning his 8th.
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El Scorchio
1:29 Mon Dec 13
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Dicko75 12:35
Absolutely. But it is a bit complicated
Sooooo...
Safety car comes out for an accident or incident on track where marshals have to clear it before safe racing can resume. Under safety car rules it's dispatched from the pits and picks up the lead driver- in this case Hamilton- who stays behind it and must drive to the speed of the safety car. All the other cars then form up behind him in the order on track they were running regardless of what lap number they were on. This means that there are lapped cars inbetween the lead cars in the queue. In this case, 4 cars between Hamilton and Verstappen.
Now, after the track is clear there are two things the regs allow the race director to do before the cars can get back to proper racing.
Either allow the lapped cars through past all the others and the safety car so they unlap themselves and join the back of the queue before restarting the race, OR don't allow any of them to unlap- so the 4 cars would remain there.
In this instance, the race had only one lap left, so option A above requires all cars to pass and then for the safety car to be out for one more lap, which would have meant the GP finished behind the safety car. Option B was that they leave all the cars where they were and race for one lap with 4 cars between Hamilton and Verstappen. Both options basically guaranteeing Hamilton the title.
However, what the race director did was not follow either regulation and only allow the cars between Hamilton and Verstappen to unlap. He also brought the safety car in one lap before the regs say he could. Basically he ignored all the regs and made his own ones up on the spot which directly influenced the outcome of the race. Essentially it was match fixing.
To compare it to football it's like England being 1-0 up in the last second of the World Cup final with the ball at the opposition corner flag, with the ref then blowing his whistle and awarding a penalty to the opposition, sending the England goalkeeper off, and declaring that goals now count double, before immediately blowing for full time when the penalty hits the back of the net.
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Razzle
1:12 Mon Dec 13
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If you don't operate within the rules of the sport then it has no integrity.
Not Verstappen's fault he could only do what he could.
Lewis was gracious in a bitter defeat and again he and Mercedes did all they could do and would have gone on to win and made a different history (far be it for an Englishman to be the most successful driver of all time) in a dying sport.
Accountability has to be held somewhere. Probably the lass serving coffee will get the bullet
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Lee Trundle
1:05 Mon Dec 13
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Masi needs to be out on his ear.
I'm no Hamilton fan, but he's come out the real big winner in all this. Seems like the only gracious one in all this. The rest of them involved seem like massive cunts.
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stewie griffin
1:02 Mon Dec 13
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doesn't have to be about issues with Hamilton, does it?
I don't like the bloke, but i thought he was excellent in defeat yesterday.
All we're talking about is an extremely stark, one-lap example, of everything that makes F1 not a sport. Hamilton has been driving a car that's faster than everyone else's for the last 6 or 7 years. For one lap yesterday, he was in a car that was slower, and he got beaten. He was as defenceless as everyone else has been against him for the last 6 or 7 years.
Besides all of which, if his team had listened to him and put him on fresh tyres under the virtual safety car, he would have won the race comfortably.
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Moncurs Putting Iron
1:00 Mon Dec 13
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Trundle,
Right on all counts.
This stems from a Season of both Wolff and Horner and their race teams having far too much time in Masi's ear and a desire not to end the race/season/championship behind the safety car.
It has officially descended into farce and spectacle and is no longer sport.
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Lee Trundle
12:50 Mon Dec 13
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The race most probably should have finished behind the safety car.
The second to last thing FAI would have wanted, was the championship to be decided and finish behind the safety car, so they did everything possible to have 1 lap of racing to decide.
But by doing that, they loaded the 1 lap race in Verstappen's favour massively.
So they're now going to get the last thing they wanted. It's most likely going to CAS and the championship will be decided not on the racetrack but in the courts.
I doubt CAS will change the decision, but anyone who thinks it was a fair fight obviously has REALLY bad issues with Hamilton.
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Dicko75
12:35 Mon Dec 13
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I still don’t have a fucking clue what went on.
Can someone explain to someone who has never watched a race what happened. I get the basic principle of the person to finish first wins but not really clear here what should have happened v’s what did happened
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Mr Kenzo
12:13 Mon Dec 13
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BLM
Beaten Last Minute
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angryprumphs
11:25 Mon Dec 13
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El Scorchio 2:20 Mon Dec 13
Exactly, complete farce
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